Hibidder site facts and Info.

[2boysandtoys]

Are you sure?  I suspect the system is 'supposed' to do that, but from what I see and read - many are not even getting that.  I may be wrong - wouldn't be the first time!!!  I honestly can't remember if the admin functionality of the phpprobid script has that type of feature or not.

  - Need a ton more coffee and a reload of my brain to consider that deeply!!! 

[The Bar Keep]

While I was doing a followup on HB I noticed a change to the HB community sign in page. New graphics and wouldn't you know the policy pages are there you can't see them unless you are registered. Nothing like going on a blind date now is there. Who in there right mind would enter a contract blind?

So I did some further research and looked at the main HB site. Well the basic BS is still there when you try to register however, the privacy policy again can only be viewed if you are registered. So I guess HB people like entering blind contracts. Heck may as well, not many people see the site anyway through organic means. Sure you can take an exact title and plug it in and get a result (most times not in google products search though) how do buyers know what your titles are to search for them? The answer is they don't, just like any number of the alternative sites (with few exceptions, IWAC being one) the meta tags are setup to attract sellers. Nothing suggests anything for sale to attract buyers.

I see a pattern of meta misery when it comes to sites that Rich had his hands in at one point in time. YHB has about the worst I have seen so far when it comes to meta tags. I know TTW has a list of what they are and maybe she will be along so we all can see why these types of sites are setup with the attention to only attract sellers, who in turn become that sites community who buy from each other round and round like a big circle benefiting one person only, the site owner.


Hey TTW if you are here how about a list of the meta tags a few of these sites are running that originated out of Rich's camp. It truly brings one question to mind. Do they even know where the meta tags are to change them?


Joe - The Bar Keep

[The Tavern Wench]

TTW is never too far away. 

Is this what you were interested in...

HiBidder:

Meta Description:  HiBidder.com is an eBay Alternative Auction Site.  Fraud free buying and selling. Join today with our thousands of auction members today in a fraud free environment.
Meta Keywords: auction, auctions, no fee auction site, ebay alternative, free auction site, free online auction site, online auction bargains, free to sell, bids, online bargains, christmas shopping, alternative auction site, computers, bid, buy, sell, bidding, sale, sold, free classified ads, classifieds, trading cards, memorabilia, nascar, sporting goods, music, dolls, comics, antiques, jewelry, ebay alternative, bargain prices
Meta Keyword Phrases: no fees auction site, eBay alternative auction site, free auction site, no fee auctions, buy and sell, buy and sell free online, Pheebay, buy or sell collectibles, paypal auctions, buy antiques, sell antiques, buy nascar, sell nascar, buy autos, sell autos, buy clothing, sell clothing, buy collectibles, sell collectibles, buy books, sell books, buy dolls and bears, sell dolls and bears, buy toys, sell toys, free auctions, free auction, ebay alternative, free alternative to ebay

Bolding mine 


Your High Bid:

Meta Description: YourHighBid is an Online Auction St. Elsewhere site. Easily shop, buy, sell, and bid in thousands of categories. Free google base, froogle listings, bulk lister. Free and discounted seller stores. A great eBay alternative
Meta Keywords: auctions, auction, auction site, online auction marketplace, eBay alternative, ebay, online auctions, bulklist, yourhighbid, yhb, froogle, googlebase, google, yahoo, concord topsite, bidhopper, bidfind, ebay alternatives site online competitor, alternative auctions, forum, online ebay alternatives, competitors sites, buy, bid, forums, want ads, sell, listings, bids, listing, ads, store, shops, free listing, low fees, advertising, shopping, internet stores, classifieds, advertisements, ebay bidding, shop, hibidder, homeworker, work home, WAHM, pheebay
Meta Keyword Phrases: online auction site, buy and sell, buy and sell online, SS2BM promotion, buy or sell collectibles, paypal auction, buy antiques, sell antiques, buy clothing, sell clothing, buy collectibles, sell collectibles, buy books, sell books, buy dolls and bears, sell dolls and bears, buy toys, sell toys, free auctions, free auction, ebay alternative, free alternative to ebay, work at home, working from home, home worker, free listing, pheebay, low fees

Again, Bolding mine 




On a side note, I thought this was rather interesting....

ABCs Web Design:

Meta Keywords: web site design, web site maintenance, web site hosting, design, logo, banner, website, web page, webpage, ecommerce, hosting, graphic, site design, logo design, graphic design, logos, banners, domain name registration, homepage, web design, resources, site hosting, SS2BM, Summer Solstice Blue Moon, St Elsewhere sellers unite worldwide campaign, st elsewhere sellers in unity, buyer awareness campaign, Pheebay, ABCS Gift Shop, HiBidder, YourHighBid, BidorSell, Overnight Auctions, You Bid Right, Online Buys 4 U, Burfs Bargains, LadybugAngel Graphics, Bay Area Studios, Assemble Products, AW Office Supply, Autos by Wholesale, Auction Site Watch, Divine Pillows and Treasures, abcsweb, ABCS Online Shops, Mystical Mercantile, Auto Pay U, Boaz Bargains

Meta Description: ABCS Web Design and Hosting. Specializing in Web Site Design, Web Site Hosting, and Graphic Design.

ABCs Gift Shop:

Meta Keywords: shopping, gifts, gift ideas, unique, shops, angels, fairies, figurines, garden plaques, garden statues, wall decor, window decor, decorative paper, candles, wind chimes, shop, speciality, auctions, knick knacks, note cards, auctions, graphics, wedding, invitations, social, bouquet, garter, thank you, notes, announcements, printed, napkins, carlson craft, accessories, favors, knife set, cake topper, seals, labels, stickers, bride, groom, bridesmaids, maid of honor, best man, groomsmen, flutes, champagne, glasses, engraved, shower, baby, party, graduation, anniversary, celebration, balloons, ribbon, responce, reception, SS2BM, Summer Solstice Blue Moon, St Elsewhere sellers unite worldwide campaign, st elsewhere sellers in unity, buyer awareness campaign, Pheebay, ABCS Gift Shop, HiBidder, YourHighBid, BidorSell, Overnight Auctions, You Bid Right, Online Buys 4 U, Burfs Bargains, LadybugAngel Graphics, Bay Area Studios, Assemble Products, AW Office Supply, Autos by Wholesale, Auction Site Watch, Divine Pillows and Treasures, abcsweb, ABCS Online Shops, Mystical Mercantile, Auto Pay U, Boaz Bargains

I've worked on alot of sites, but I never added them to my meta tags.

[The Bar Keep]

I've worked on alot of sites, but I never added them to my meta tags.

Funny I don't see much in the way of product phrases in there meta tags do you TTW?

 

Brilliant SEO work coming from the HB sites.

[2boysandtoys]

An admitted numpty - what is the point of all the non-related terms and sites in the meta tags?  Isn't the desired state of good meta tags phrases to attract customers? 

Also the site shows 33k listings, and google-base shows 19k listings - I believe that Google-base ignores duplicates when it accepts feeds.  So, one can assume that at least 24k listings on HiBidder are duplicate, triplicate, quadruplicate, etc. listings from the moderators boosting the count with drop-ship products.  Does this seem/sound logical?

MSN shows 38 pages of 20 products per page - around 760 items.

I no longer see where they feed google products, from of the home page, which may explain why products can't be found.  Perhaps due to the violations of submissions - the many repeated products - the feed is being rejected.

I too can't get to any of the policy, privacy, etc. information from the home page any more.  Did you all notice that links must be allowed again? There is a store - the 5th largest - who directly links to their own site from their store description.  Wasn't links what got me suspended for life from the forum?  Geez....mine was a referral link to a trading site - this is an obvious link to solicit off-site sales.  I guess...mine was worse for the site and sellers - eh?   

BidHopper shows 265 pages x 20 items per page - way off from the counts shown on the home page.

If items are not available to shopping and product search engines, I guess that explains why there was only 1 bid on 1 item until the weekend challenge started Friday.  Then, the site jumped up to a huge 8 bids - all moderator/admins bidding on other moderator/admins items. - Great busy holiday selling season - eh?   

I do feel for the 'real sellers' that need to move product.  Obviously, that will not happen on hibidder.com - I've heard from many that their items are never even seen for all the dropship redundant stuff that is clogging up the site.  Way too bad....

[2boysandtoys]

OK - here's an interesting 'marketing and promotional' trick.....

I  'ed the thread at PSU where I'm still trying to get someone, anyone, representing Hibidder.com to possibly answer questions about my suspension, banning, etc.

http://www.powersellersunite.com/about14051.html

So....instead of getting an answer, a Hibidder.com volunteer moderator, who has 6,000 items (of the total 30,000 listed) drops over to PSU inviting folks to:

'come see the decorated stores' for Christmas http://www.powersellersunite.com/about14868.html

'come see the contests' at Hibidder.com http://www.powersellersunite.com/about15005.html

What intelligent person would allow Rich to convince them to stop over at PSU and do this?  I feel so bad for RecordLady - does she not realize that there probably won't be any responses or interest until/unless they resolve the customer service issues that have been discussed at PSU and a variety of other places all over the web?   

I hate to see people taken advantage of, but this recent 'set of postings' - she's only made 4, and I'm quite certain each has been suggested by Rich - really makes her look very foolish - don't ya think?

Why oh why do these folks not understand the value of handling business and customer issues in a timely manner?  I guess I'll have to point that out to her - eh?   

[Cherry Pits]

Erin....some never learn. Leave it to someone else or they may start the defamation of character attacks again. You may be a numpty sometimes    but you do learn and have good intentions. Some of those folks....questionable at best.

[2boysandtoys]

Well......I just couldn't leave it alone!  I don't think anybody else will even bother with the whole lot of HiBidder.com fools - but - I just couldn't let that poor woman wonder why folks were ignoring her posts!   

[The Bar Keep]

 

Hey has anyone noticed the new Hibidder.com friends side box on the home page yet? Take a look at the friends list 

In all honesty I don't see any big movement of sellers or even listing counts that suggest that Hibidder is anything more then a Admin/Mod personal junkyard loss leaders to sell amongst the sellers that are already at HB.

What is HB doing to gain buyers attention other then showing the potential buyers how they treat there own customers (have the scars healed yet?  ) when they have concerns about business (or when Rich needs to use a promotional walmart card to pay for his medication at the walmart pharmacy) practices.

To whoever is guiding that blind Mod posting the news at PSU. That is not a marketing strategy  posting in a thread with no other participants other then the OP is, ummm, preaching to the choir and not productive.

Joe - The Bar Keep

[2boysandtoys]

Joe - I'd noticed the friends, but found it to be as meaningful as most other on the front page.  NOT....   

It's long been known that the stats. on the phpprobid script can be manipulated, and I'm certain they are - as have you noticed that every time or any time you visit, there is a minimum of 9 members online? 

Also, the most recent news article suggests some interesting 'info.' on fraud - and at least you do not have to join to be enlightened!!  I've never laughed so hard - as many of these are actually excellent marketing/promotion strategies used by top sellers....who in the eyes of hibidder are scammers!! 

How about the BBB 'logo' and information?  Click thru and you'll notice....

 - there's a space between hi and bidder - is this a way to register and be recognized without Bays' formal complaint that went unresolved, therefore gives an unsatisfactory rating?

 - a business start date of 2003, when the whois shows the site became 'alive' in 2005?

 - http://boise.bbb.org/WWWR...bb=1056&firm=90001668 ------- this link shows a resolved complaint - so I wonder if this is/was bays or if another complained?

The best information on the front page - over 706,xxx items have been listed is priceless.  This is the system counting any/all items 'started' on the site - so the same 30k items that are not unique, but rather duplicate/triplicate/etc. of each other have relisted xx times to get to 706k count.... - obviously great marketing information for sellers and buyers alike!!

I guess they only feed to googlebase now, and I did get hibidder search results when I searched with exact title.  However, the last submission to GoogleBase was on December 4th, and only 17.5k items - so the frequency has declined and some items must not included or were rejected.

Lovely place to park your items for now activity -eh?  Rich does not market to buyers - only sellers.  He believes the sellers need to market to buyers - which is sort of logical for a free site, but hard to do with so many dropship items cluttering up the site.   

[2boysandtoys]

This may need to be in the other thread regarding PSU, couldn't decide.  But - I'm a tad bit miffed at how the PSU moderators joined the HiBidder.com thread where I'm still seeking answers to business issues....

I'm not a happy camper - gotta fix dinner - please have a couple more drinks ready 4 me for later - would ya?

 

http://www.powersellersun...topic.php?p=133959#133959 

I don't want to admit that you all were 'right' - do I have to do that AND EAT CROW???????? 

[The Tavern Wench]

When I saw that Erin, I hit the reply button and then the back button three different times....I was so furious I was speechless!  But there's a good chance I'll get over that before the day is over.  

I'm sure Joe will have a few choice things to say about it too when he gets back online today. 

You can have all the drinks you need when you get back.   

[2boysandtoys]

I've not been back there since I posted, and obviously was a bit pizzed when I did.  I just get so tired of the stupidity of these people.  Can they:

 - Not read the facts?

 - Not see the intervals?

 - Continue to live in la-la land?

I've bent over backwards since my darn post was deleted to 'move on' and NOT give in to the perception that the PSU mods. have blinders on when it comes to HB - but.....it's becoming more and more obvious.  I suppose my post was rude - esp. for me, but I've defended these people to the end - and then they come up with 'that'?  'That's' all they had to say?   

WRONG DAMN ANSWER -  !!!

[juliartz]

Erin,
I have always personally felt that Egato from a long time ago, way before people started to accuse different HB mods as being biased, was not only biased by a spy for HB. Not only that, but I have always felt that he passed on private information from PSU to HB. Of course, I could never prove it, so it would always be "just my gut feelings", but there have been posts/inuendos that what I have felt all along is true. And as PSU is concerned, I personally also believe that the "higher ups" condone these actions. All of these "feelings" I could never prove, but when I know it in my gut that strong, I simply know it is.

[2boysandtoys]

I hear you Julz.....it's just so darn frustrating - I so try to consider the good in people and moderating a huge, huge forum like PSU has to be difficult.  I just can not believe they responded so flippantly - no response from either would have been far better...

In your scenario, relative to the IP sharing, I honestly do not know who did it, but I did confirm it happened by making one phone call.  I cornered the person I called, and 'forced' or convinced them to confirm - YES or NO.  Part of the bargaining was I would not ask which moderator did it....and never did.  So - I can't say which it was, but there are only 2.

What pizzes me off about the 'sound-off' today - is it appears to have been 'scheduled' - one right after the other, when neither has been in that thread for weeks - perhaps at all - since one of them deleted my post in the first place.

Because of the emotions, eggshells, and the true lack of sharing about sites like we used to do, I've been there less and less.  There are no longer real discussions about sites, success, issues, etc.  Perhaps it's changed, perhaps I've changed - but I know that my comfort level has diminished since my post got pulled...

Geez - when any member spends any amount of time writing more than a one-liner, it's super frustrating to see your time wasted.  I can waste my time just fine without help from others removing my 'intelligent posts'....

And....can someone please explain to me how my issues became 'all about JB'?   

Oh yeah - I did return and I did respond!!! I'm tired of folks personalizing posts and turning them from business issues to people issues.   

Julz - I actually got a PM from someone over at PSU wondering if your post meant that you were Molly Malone -