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[chiquita]

Wow, what else can you say? My biggest WTH moment was when Lana said you were threatening her. How bizarre is that?
She and Elgato spoke to you like you are 5 years old. Very disrespectful, and worse I imagine for you since you had a longstanding friendship with both Lana and Elgato. Not to mention that the members of PSU are adults and can make up their own mind without the interjection of statements by mods that are totally biased and so far from neutral it isn't funny.

Erin we don't make our members eat crow, unless they like crow meat for some odd reason. You were still just trying to have faith in people you once called friend, there is no harm in that.

 

[juliartz]

 

Oh my! I wish I could take credit for such imagination! Thank you Erin for the laugh tonight. I have been so tired from work, that humor has escaped me lately, and that was a nice change of pace.  But no, I will publicly state that I am not/was not this "Molly Malone" But please inform whoever it was that asked you that I am very sorry to have to disappoint them. I have too many problems with just learning how to do my own websites, never mind spending time imulating the likes of jyj!  Or better yet, tell them to ask Elgato or the "other" PSU/HB mod if the isp is the same.. I am sure they will oblige!

[The Bar Keep]

Well I missed the PSU mods explosion today. No need to be there as it happened I saw it coming for a long time. Yes this may belong in another thread but WTH we are here posting and it involves HB as always. So DTD claims they are no longer a HB Mod or Admin. Yeah like I believe that one. I am told that the PEACE banner that DTD was displaying was removed sometime after their first post in the HB thread at PSU today. I am sure there is a screenshot of the DTD posting ID on PSU with that banner displayed somewhere in our collection. So does removing that banner say they no longer support the idea of PEACE? I don't think so and IMO only suggests a quick change to cover their arse.

It's been a long and stress filled day for me so I will be revisiting this issue tomorrow.

Erin,

I can promise you this, never will you have to eat crow in this forum. I understand the time you have spent at PSU, the friends you have made there and the need to see the good in all people. I have the same ability to see the good in all people myself but when I learn of the bad in people I tend to report on it to help the good people. I can only hope the information I have provided about the pitfalls of PSU have opened the eyes for more people. PSU is supposed to be a forum where sellers can communicate with other sellers about sites. PSU is NOT a forum for buyers and I defy anybody to dispute that. When PSU becomes the sole means for advertising an alternative site, as it seems it is for several (not just HB) of them, the sites involved are considered dead to buyers IMO. Trying to explain away or make light of HB by a PSU Mod is nothing more than deceptive site promotion. When will some of the alternative sites realize promoting at PSU is not really advertising? Again, no buyers for the most part go to PSU, the sellers do.

Which site other then www.iwacstores.com actually runs an adwords program that is meant to attract buyers to their customers?



Joe - The Bar Keep

[2boysandtoys]

Well....good morning all!  In the middle of the mayhem about Hibidder at PSU last evening, I was working with a friend who needed help redirecting their banner from Hibidder to their new digs.  Long story short, my banner and 'stuff' from Photobucket isn't showing on my laptop, but is on my desktop.  I am not sure why, but it's 'so'.

This morning, I had a PM at PSU, and assumed it was from this person.  Well.....it was not.  It was from one of the two moderators, and since I do try and respect 'private', I'll not post the who and/or the content.

Let's just say it's safe to say I'll be avoiding PSU.  Apparently there's a host of folks who contact the moderators daily over there requesting I be 'banned' - I'll save them the effort.  I guess my 'friends', those moderators I've defended stupidly, have been 'protecting me'.....

I may at times appear slow to find the hidden agendas and the second-level agendas, but do know that the world does not revolve around me.  Therefore, PSU will go on without my participation - perhaps it will become so freakin 'sweet' - there won't ever be an issue discussed again - eh?   

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, mrflibbles again has posted in the wrong thread (not sure why) that my answers have been provided. 

http://www.powersellersun...m/post-133996.html#133996   

I will send a message to PSU Admin when I get around to it and I will answer that post - then "I'm done" - I really do have better things to do than try to enlighten ignorance...

[The Bar Keep]

Yep was just reading that over at PSU. Mzflippers has an opinion I see. Now there is some customer service hard at work from the HB Admin team. Perfect post if you want to drive away business IMO. She was right about one thing, it is a catch 22 but not in the way she sees it. If you plan to promote your site on any forum you have to be able to handle the customer service issues. Giving up, which is what HB has done when it comes to Erin, is not a resolution. Giving up, which is what HB has done when it comes to Bays, is not an answer to where or what happened to the gift cards. Giving up, which is what was done to countless others, shows a lack of commitment to their customers needs.

In regards to the PSU Mods. Well to say they are on the take would be an understatement. Biased is putting it nicely. The reality is if Rich says jump through hoops the PSU Mods will ask with fire or without. PSUNite on the other hand, as I have said before, not a bad person but has basically stretched himself so thin with the buggy cart system for PSU Stores, the site is left in the Mods hands. Don't be fooled by the numbers at PSU either. The hayday is long over at PSU, memberships have slowed and rank has fallen. Oh yeah if you don't think PSU manipulates the numbers, take a look at the Users storefronts. Click on any store in there and watch the URL in your address bar. Yep that is a redirect and if you watch the Alexa numbers (Alexa is a gauge at best) that redirect will affect the page views. No it's not black hatting as on a peebay level but it is a manipulation.


Just getting started today 


Joe - The Bar Keep

[2boysandtoys]

Well....and I need to correct myself - I should know not to start my day online without one full cup of coffee in me - mrflibbles posted where she did as th Hibidder - Numerous Issues thread has been locked.

I didn't even notice that until I tried to place my response to Debra (flibbles) in it - Gosh....I'm slow minded today!!

Now - I did a post over there and I'm 'done'.  What really frosts me about all this - if folks put themselves into my position, most would be spastic.  Not only have I had to deal with these mindless followers who are willing to sacrifice their own business ethics for a shady auction site owner, Rich, ONLINE - I have had a series of 'silent' phone calls - both home and mobile - since this crap started.  As I have no interest or time in chasing the facts about the calls (all have the outbound # blocked), I can only speculate they are related. 

I truly thought they were friends of my kids, until they started on my mobile phone.  Many of those who were mods. at Hibidder when I was have my home #, but only Rich had my mobile. 

Summary - I so feel like I'm back in Junior High.  The looser group is seeking attention by any means possible, to include singling out individuals and bullying them to death.  Most ignore it, others won't respond publicly and still others just walk away. 

Talk about a great study for a psych. class - Hibidder.com would be too darn fun to analyze and summarize about the nature of power, good or bad, and the type of character that follows evil, even when it's against their core value set.   

[rho]

When the HiBidder stuff flared up over the summer, I was one of the people who publicly questioned the business intelligence behind having moderators who are also sellers on Power Sellers Unite. PSU moderators were engaging in posting SPAM surrounding HiBidder for nearly a year. It became blatant enough that a very public discussion regarding the diminishing credibility and obvious bias went on for a few day at the eBay discussion boards. The thread has since been removed, but it was there for about 6 months.

A negative post about HiBidder will get a long standing member's post removed at PowerSellersUnite, but members have to beg for SPAM posts and extremely disruptive people to be stopped. How much more frickin' obvious can the so-called "moderators" be?

I have, at various times, especially when OnlineAuctions members were pounding the PSU membership, and again when HiBidder members were pounding the membership, said privately that I'd had enough of PSU and wouldn't be posting there anymore. But I'm not closing that door. It's going to stay open. Regardless how terribly PSU's credibility has degraded, good a decent sellers land there looking for help and information.

What some sellers have forgotten is that the whole point in discussions and supporting various venues is about sellers. Sellers who support venues at the expense of other sellers - those who clam up and protect a venue; refuse to force a venue to deal with customer care issues, either privately or publicly; those sellers who lie about the stats or worse, engage in creating deceptive numbers - they're traitors. They're back-stabbing their fellow sellers. Their credibility and everything they represent is whirling in the toilet like a bunch of big greasy turds regardless the attempt to wrap their words in sweetness and light.

And, BTW, that did not look like JB posting in that HB thread regardless who "signed" it. Have a second look. If you've had correspondence w/ JB, you'll notice some distinct differences from the way things are said to what is said and right down to JB supposedly having any interest in defending HB or telling a member to move along. Just ain't his style.

[The Tavern Wench]

Rho, you are exactly 100% right in my opinion.

I thought the same thing about JB too.  I've corresponded with him on more than one occasion via PM and that post just did not sound like him doing the talking.

[rho]

I'd lay odds we're not the only ones who noticed that. I've been a member of PSU since Feb 2005, back when JB was very active. We had over a dozen long correspondence. I've had a lot of correspondence w/ Lana over the years, too. Since you've had correspondence w/ JB too, then you'd likely agree that there are similar sentiments between them, but style, perspective and priorities are distinctly different. Wondering who is really posting under a moderator name puts trust into the toilet to whirl along with credibility.

[2boysandtoys]

Hey Rho - glad to see ya girl.  Your 'level-headed' approach here has been 'good 4 me' today.  Now that you all discuss the 'style' of the JB posts, I do agree.  And, perhaps - the sudden change of style and the more 'attacking approach' of it is what pizzed me off - thus my response.

Both moderators, one publicly and one privately have told me that my post was 'beneath my normal style/professionalism'.  Ironically enough, now that you've brought forward a new view, both of their posts were completely out of character from my numerous interactions in the past. 

All I feel right now is that some folks got some good stuff that they're smoking, breathing, snorting or other - and are not sharing...

Did you now see that recordlady has asked bays at PSU why she's complaining about positive feedback?  I'm so sorry to 'clarify' but....wasn't bay's post relative to:

 - Getting feedback 10 months after a transaction that was mutually canceled by buyer and seller?

 - Getting feedback that clearly states 'npb'?

How can any reader, especially a moderator of Hibidder.com think that her post has to do with complaining about positive feedback?   

All I know is that Rich is absolutely loving every minute of all of this.  He has from my first meeting wanted, lived for and thrived on the trolling, chaos, disagreements, etc.  He has always not logged in at PSU, but watched all firestorms with great pleasure.  When he wasn't doing this, he was tweaking code at Hibidder, fixing non-broken items...

I have seen the forest for the trees, and have now got to say - Houston, we've got a problem.  There's some money changing hands, and it's bypassing me.  I did go back and post - I prolly shouldn't have, but moderators treating members disrespectfully, whether me or others, is just bad business and so unprofessional. 

I was very disappointed when JB/Lana went after Alex.  I know his style was 'unique' and 'demanding' and that he switched gears often....but moderators should never go 'after' someone.   

[juliartz]

Ya Know Erin,
Since you do know more about this stuff than I do, could you please explain to me, that almost a year since I had originally been locked out of my store in HB (but now by magic have acess.. ), have had NO, and let me repeat this, ABSOLUTELY NO  listings there in all that time, does HB still come up as a source to find me WITH ITEMS when you do a google search of my store name? I have nothing that is listed (how can I?? I'm a "Preferred Suspended Seller... ), nothing in my expired listings, NOTHING at all...
Its one thing given such honorary titles from them, such as the internet has never seen, but to have a link in a search engine to items that don't exist? Has me totally confuzzled! 

oh my! I may have to eat my words now...  A week or so ago, when I did the search, not only did I show up with HiBidder as one of the links, but when you clicked on it, you got one of those messages that said this listing isnt here or something like that. Wish I would've taken a screen shot of it. But when I just did it now... I no longer find a HB link associated with me... sorry! 

[The Bar Keep]

Just some observations over the past 2 days I would like to share.


#1 the HiBidder - numerous problems thread at PSU was locked. Why, for what reason and where is PSUnite when it comes to this problem? See link below for the locked thread:

http://powersellersunite.com/about14051.html

#2 How is it possible to have a siggy in one post and not in another at PSU? See PSU Mods posts in this thread below:

http://powersellersunite.com/about14868.html

#3 How much are the stipends that the PSU Mods getting from HB, Peebay, PEACE and a few other sites? Was this a group package or was each deal with each supported site worked out on an individual basis?

#4 Will the 2 new threads, one about bays new feedback score and the Christmas thread where the PSU Mods Flame Erin be locked down in time for the next edition of the Hibidder news?

#5 Does anybody know of anyone who in there right mind would come out of eBay and seek HB as an alternative after reading threads about HB at PSU?

#6 When do you think sites like HB and the ones involved in PEACE will get a clue and realize they need to adapt their business plans for the upcoming eBay seller fees restructuring? Please note I have already discussed this with a site owner but no names mentioned.

#7 When will PSUnite realize PSU needs to be restructured to meet the needs of the OAI as well as ditching the jamamama cart (purposeful misspelling) for PSU Stores?


Just thinking out loud.

By the way PSU Mod nicknamed the Cat (I prefer itty bitty kitten) is a member of The Crabby Host. Last seen here posting in this thread, see link below:

http://www.thecrabbyhost....elgatosdencom-t480.0.html

I guess he couldn't handle an honest critique of his site now could he? By all means Elgato register for our upcoming workshop, you definitely need the help and your viewers need binoculars.


 


Joe - The Bar Keep

[The Tavern Wench]

#1 the HiBidder - numerous problems thread at PSU was locked. Why, for what reason and where is PSUnite when it comes to this problem? See link below for the locked thread:

http://powersellersunite.com/about14051.html

I personally find it interesting to look down the list and see just how many 'negative' HiBidder threads have been locked.

http://powersellersunite.com/viewforum.php?f=53  6 Locked Threads

Especially when compared to some of the other sites which have spurred equally volatile topics/discussions in the past.  For example...

Wagglepop (We all know how heated those discussions got!  )

http://powersellersunite.com/viewforum.php?f=53  3 Locked Threads

PlunderHere  (A site which has taken more than it's fair share of bashings)

http://powersellersunite.com/viewforum.php?f=52  3 Locked Threads


Now I'm sure that the powers that be over at PSU and HB would contend these threads were locked because of trolls "bashing", but I've seen a lot worse posting/flaming in some of the other threads.  So that excuse doesn't fly with me. 

 

[2boysandtoys]

Julz:

I did a quick search on google using Juliartz Hibidder, and did find 'this' - I'm sending a cache view as I try real hard to not visit Hibidder unless I have a reason:

http://72.14.205.104/sear...t=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

I hope that link works for you - it appears a HiBidder Mod is reselling your items.

Joe/TTW:

Relative to locked threads - I truly think that if they do NOT inform the offending poster (might be me) of the reason, history will repeat itself over and over again.  This is just common sense, and human nature - ya know....

I hadn't noticed the siggie - sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not.  I'm too numpty about that 'stuff' but wonder if they manually put it in (when desired or remembered) vs. having it automated and auto-populated.  Just a thought.

I suspect mayhem will happen again, since bays has just received negative feedback from transactions that were mutually canceled.  I remember vividly the entire 'time', and if I can pull from my brain....

We had some contest or another to promote buys/sells (exploit sold items for the stats that used to be viewed publicly).

Bays and many others purchased many items from mrflibbles card shoppe - they were very inexpensive - thus a great way to boost numbers and feedback.

After Rich's daily dosage of code-tweaking, sellers started to report early the next morning that their sold items were missing...

Needless to say, if you did not keep all of your sold emails, you had a huge administrative issue. 

Many posted that they had no idea what sold, who bought it, etc. - mrflibbles was one that posted this.  She and bays at the time were friends, and publicly, in the forums decided to cancel the transaction and 're-do' at a later date - when the system was fixed.  Of course, the old forums, which had a ton of history and truth, have been forever hidden from public eye.

This may not be exact, but it's pretty darn close.  I was no longer admin'g (I was on my vacation  ), so just observed from 'afar'.

This happened quite frequently - code tweaks, lost items - either live listings, sold listings, closed listings or photos for listings and of course, the infamous -(MHDI) ----- Missing HTML Dysfunctional Issue.  Let's not forget also............................the database implosion - I can't confirm the daily tweaking caused it, but I can confirm that daily backups and a test environment were suggested for a long-while while it was 'boiling'. 

All of these cause extreme pain for sellers, and many hours of butt-kissing by moderator/admins.

I bet Sylvia, Debra and the others are 'living the dream' life - dealing with the daily tweaking of code on a production environment, never tested before!!! 

Did anyone notice that the date of the feedback left by mrflibbles aligns with the date that Hibidder became 'authenticated' by the BBB?  Also, did anyone besides me notice that bays BBB submission, that is still unsatisfactory is not aligned with the BBB current data? 

No worry, they've already been notified of their administrative issue -  !!  What's most amazing, they've had another complaint - that nobody has details for.  That's so scary; if the person filing went thru anything remotely similar to what I've gone thru since sharing the truth, it's no wonder they walked away. 

BTW - I've only had 7 calls today from 'blocked incoming' on my home - life is improving for me!!!   

[juliartz]

Julz:

I did a quick search on google using Juliartz Hibidder, and did find 'this' - I'm sending a cache view as I try real hard to not visit Hibidder unless I have a reason:

http://72.14.205.104/sear...t=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

I hope that link works for you - it appears a HiBidder Mod is reselling your items.

 

Thank you Erin
I hadn't thought to put in the search with my store + Hibidder... And that particular item was one of those "GIF" promotions. It was a 1/2 set (normally set of 8). And dear dear Donnett was one that vied for my stuff. Wonder how much she resold?    But no matter, she is giving me free advertising. Since my website is on all of those. Can't ask for more...