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« on: December 02, 2007, 08:24:37 AM »

Ok...Title pretty much says it all.  hysterical

What's the difference and which one do I need?

So far the only bulk listers I've used are TurboLister2 and IWAC's BulkLister.
I have an 'eBay exporter' mod for my Zen Cart websites which worked pretty darn good with TL2.  I haven't tried it with the IWAC Lister yet.

So which one would most likely be compatible with my files? 
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2007, 09:01:55 AM »

If I were a guessing person, I'd say that Carol is your best bet for an answer on this.  She's got the most experience of anyone I know in taking a raw excel/csv file and working it across multi-platforms.  I load mine one atta time - all 1,400 of them....

I did use the bulk-lister when I started; but have just gotten away from it!   
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2007, 09:59:36 AM »

There is no easy answer.

I use the Boostlister almost exclusively at any site I can use it at ( Rscript).

It's not really very hard to use at all, just takes a bit of time to "play with it" a bit. The big problem many people have had with the Boostlister file is the fact that it HAS to run a Macro at the end to make the text file the site uses. Many people have their Excel security set-up to NOT run macros. Or the version of Excel they have is too old to run the macro properly. (mine)

Because of the problems, I tried running the file in OpenOffice. OOo will not run the Excel macro either. BUT I went to the OOo forums and a nice guy there made a file with a comprable macro in native OOo format. (I don't understand macros well enough to make 1 myself and you had to understand both Excel and OOo macros for this)

Anyway, I have the file and basic instructions for using the file on the http://knapps-fresh-vegie....netfirms.com/boards.html page at the bottom of the page.

I have NOT tried the PowerLister at PH, but I'm guessing it's the same lister that TAM brought on board his site about a year or so ago. I did try it there and it's much like the listers at any of the Php sites. Personally I don't call them bulk listers. They are "off-line" listers where you make listings 1 by 1. Sure you can Bulk up-load once you have everything made and it saves things for re-loading much like Turbo-lister.

But if you understand a spreadsheet at all, using a spreadsheet is much faster, even if all your items are dif and new.

I wish I had saved the thread at VOR where I learned how to do this as that poster (Lurkey ??) explained it much better than I have in the past. Let me try to give you a basic idea in the next post.

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 10:23:11 AM »

Carol - you are correct...it was Lurkey.  She may have those detailed instructions still - we'd just need to reach out and see. 

I know that you all had it down very well !  Another one that has great knowledge about using excel/csv format and uploading to a variety of platforms is Sylvia (Angelsolutions).  I know that she's got files built for each product line she carries, and then tweaks the file to best meet the need - whether it's googlebase, phpprobid, rscript, or her own site.

She may be another that would have kept those detailed instructions from VOR - just a thought.   
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2007, 10:47:49 AM »

This WILL  be long.

This is assuming you use a "template" of some kind for your listings, even if it's just your own design. Open your spreadsheet program with a new blank sheet. Also open a HTML editor with your template. This needs to be something where you can see the raw HTML, not the graphic stuff. I personally like NVU. It's free and has tabs where you can go from graphic to HTML.

In your spreadsheet you are going to make a "master form". Starting with the columns, in the first row you will name things. In row 2 we put the "functions" for the spreadsheet. We will have a few but they shouldn't be too complicated. Your headers may vary from mine but this is what I'm using. We break things up to columns so that repetitive things can just be "copy down" in the spreadsheet. Saves a lot of time. With the functions, when you do the copy down, the program automatically adjusts the row numbers for you.

You may have more or less columns than I do depending on your template and what you need.

A has no title. It's a column I added later for putting in a code that I don't know what it is right now. I think it was for indicating "loaded or not", You could use it to show whach sites you have an item listed at, or just eliminate it altogether.

B is Title. That would be the title you want on your listing.

C is Image source. That is the URL to the image used as the first image or preview. For me it's on my web site. Just the first part tho, up to the folder of the image. Mine looks like this - http://knapps-fresh-vegies.netfirms.com/

D is "hard drive inage" to the location of the folder (just the folder) for the same image on your hard drive as some sites only up-load from the hard drive.

E is the file name of the image without the ending, just the name.

F is the ending , most likely .jpg

G was something for Yahoo, so we can skip that.

H is labeled URL image
In row 2 you will put this function in   =C2&E2&F2
So what this does is combine column C and E and F to give you a total URL like - http://knapps-fresh-vegies.netfirms.com/aji.jpg

I is drive image.
In row 2 you will put this function in  =D2&E2&F2
This combines colums D, E, and F to give you something like
C:\web-page\current\peppers\aji.jpg

The next 2 columns are for if you are using a PHP site and want to try to use the CSV import. Personally I'd skip it as the Php import has never worked right for me. Save yourself some headaches, just build them 1 by 1. But you can use the spreadsheet to build them, copy and paste.

J - for Php
In row 2 you will put 3-5 Pipes (|) ||||| depending on the site you use. On most keyboards it's (shift \)

K is Php image
in row 2 you enter the function  =I2&J2

Now we get to your HTML template. This can get a little tricky if you aren't very careful.
Depending on how many places in your template are for things that change, you will have more or less columns. Mine has 3 things that change -  image, title and description. So mine has 8 columns, - HTML up to change, change, HTML, change, HTML, change, all the rest of the HTML, where we put it all together.

L is HTML to first change. For my template it's my pic.
In your HTML editor you CAREFULLY highlight and copy the HTML up to the last charactor before your first edit. Paste that into this column in row 2

M is whatever that edit is. For me it's the pic, so in column M in row 2 I put the function  =H2 as column H is where my Pic URL is.

Continue alternating columns of the unchangeable HTML with the stuff that changes like the title and description and shipping if it changes for each item. Be sure to copy every HTML charactor before and after the changeable parts into the proper columns. Don't worry that you won't actually SEE all the HTML in a cell if it's long. As long as you did a good copy/paste, it's there. Sometimes the program will try to fit it all in so you can see it. makes things horribly big. Go to format "row" or column and adjust things to a reasonable size. The stuff will all be there, you just won't see it.

The LAST column will be where you put it altogether. In row 2 my function looks like this  =L2&M2&N2&O2&P2&Q2&R2
Basically you are just putting the columns together with the & for however many you have. There is probably an easier way to write it but this is the way I know and I can see that all the columns are there.

Now to test to see if you got all the HTML right. Fill in row 3 with 1 item and "copy down" in the columns with a function or repetitive thing so there is something in all the columns across row 3. Now click so you are in the last cell of row 3, the column where we put it all together. Click "copy". Now go to your HTML editor and open a new page. If it's NVU, go to the HTML view and Paste there. Then go to the graphic view and see if it looks the way it should. If it doesn't, you will need to see where you missed something in breaking down the HTML.

While this sounds like a lot of work, it really isn't after you've done it a bit. After you have this "Master list" you can copy the approprate columns to other spreadsheets like the Boostlister or the eCrater or Ebid spreadsheets. In fact once you've made 1 Boostlister sheet, you will probably only need to change the category number to list the same sheet at another Rscript site.

I hope I explained this clearly enough. If you need help, just yell.

Carol
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2007, 10:49:18 AM »

Wow excellent post!
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2007, 12:33:18 PM »

Carol is really good and intelligent when it comes to the Bulk Lister, etc.  I have seen her spend hours helping members over
at YHB and HB with the BL!  She even had a workshop for us over at YHB.

 
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 01:37:19 PM »

 sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff

Those are awesome instructions Carol! Scary blink1 but very thorough and detailed.

Thank you so much!!! 



I also thought that was worth lots of Karma!!  hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2007, 02:39:08 PM »

If you want to do a CSV export from any of the PHP bulk listers, I suggest you try to open it with the older version of OpenOffice. I currently have both the 1.7? version and 2.0 version on my computer. The CSV import in the 1.7 version works much better than the newer version. I know there is a newer yet version out, but I haven't gotten that one yet.

While I've never been able to get the Php BL to do a proper Import, it does do a decent export so you could save your listings to a spreadsheet and then move them to another type lister. I have some pages with screenshots I made last year for another lister at HB that wanted to move her listings. I never quite finished them, but the Export  part of the tut is on my web site  here http://knapps-fresh-vegie...s.com/hb-bulk-lister.html

Please ignore the fact that this was originally written for HB. It would be basically the same for any Php-probid system.

Unfortunately the stuff I wrote as a workshop was on 2 boards that no longer exist and I didn't think to keep copies. But if anyone has any questions or needs help, just ask and I'll try to help.

Actually once you have a spreadsheet, the instructions on a Rscript site for the Boostlister are very good for filling out that sheet.

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 03:22:12 PM »

Carol - you do continue to amaze me with this 'stuff' - bravo to you and  for the marvelous details!

I did venture to your site the other day, and you got some updating to do on your recommended and not recommended sites.....eh?   hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2007, 03:29:22 PM »

Yah, I thought I was going to have time to do some up-dates the other day, but Ray had other ideas to fill my day. I need to go out to the greenhouse before it gets dark, if I can get thru the snow. But when I get back I think I will try to do that other sites page tonite. Need to get 1 particular site off and change a few other things.

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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2007, 05:45:24 PM »

OK Erin, I finally got to fixing the problems on my "other sales" page. Updated sites recommemded or not and moved quite a few sites around.

When I have a bit more time I will add Crabby to the forums page.

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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2007, 06:03:34 PM »

Carol - I was just razzing ya girl - I can't remember how I ended up there the other day - but I did!  I figured since it was winter time vs. farming time - you would get around to it - ya know!

For all others - if you have not read Carol's site regarding the auction sites recommended and not recommended, it's an awesome read.  It truly details sites that have been tried and tested and the results - from her perspective.  I do go there often when asked about a site that I too had tried (she keeps my memory straight) - and refer folks there when asked for recommendations!!

Way to go girl - way to go!! 
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